Question about my live room!

slash81291 · Post by **slash81291** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:00 am

Ok well my live room will be in my basement. the floor is finished with tile. every amp/monitor will be on a rug. It will have a 1 foot drum riser. i want to treat the riser with insulation and put it on rubber pucks so it acts liek a floating floor inside the room so less of the drum is being sent throughout the house. What materials woudl you recomend for insulating the rooms 6 inch wall with. also what should i finish the wall with? Also is it ok to have tile exposed but having everything on carpet?. im not trying to make it a dead room at all, just to isolate it from the house so that way i can record or practice in it without waking up everyone and reduce the Db.

If you ask ill post some pics of the room/dimensions.

The pourpose isnt to treat it acousticly but to reduce volume. and then worry about acoustics in the room.

LOCATION: MA

thanks

Mike

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:11 am

Study the threads on isolation.....

What you have proposed has nothing to do with sound leaving the room.

Give us a pic/draft of what the existing space looks like showing concrete walls/stud walls, etc....

slash81291 · Post by **slash81291** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:53 am

ok simple question.

what do i need to do, to an untouched room to make it isolated. To make the actual volume coming out of the room SIGNIFICANTLY less.im not worried about the acoustics of the room yet, i just want to make sure that the live room will be isolated and that the drums and amps will be much quiter to the rest of the house/property.

im lost.

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:59 am

Look here....

http://www.saecollege.de/reference_mate ... /Walls.htm

In short build walls, seal off your ceiling....

Post by **sharward** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:05 am

Exactly. If you were trying to isolate a piece of machinery from impact noise, then an isolated riser may help. But for the most part, you're trying to isolate airborne noise.

Imagine your drums floating weightlessly in the air and playing them at normal volume... Do you really think that would keep the sound from getting into the rest of the house??

You need mass-air-mass. Yes, decoupling makes a lot of sense if you have the mass to back it up. Without the mass, decoupling your drum kit from the floor will not make a noticable improvement.

slash81291 · Post by **slash81291** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:11 am

No, i meant that i would do this so that way if were practicing or soemthing, the speaker cabs of the guitars cant rattle the drums. i didnt mean to sue the riser to isolate anything, just to make a sort of barrier between the instruments.

Post by **sharward** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:14 am

Good luck with that...

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:33 am

How do drums make sound??? You hit the skin and air pressure......

Ever have a Gtr amp rattle the snares of a snare drum?????

Even if the drums are on a riser you will never STOP the resonances....

slash81291 · Post by **slash81291** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:57 am

lmao so i guess its a lost cause. well i decided im going to do staggerd stud construction for the walls. is it worth it to float the floor? or will the amps and stuff on carpets on top of tile on top of cement board on top of cement be ok?

im still going to build the riser

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:49 am

Is the control room also in the basement?????

If it is then either the control room floor or the live room floor should be floated (at minimum)

slash81291 · Post by **slash81291** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:54 am

yes it is in the basement.

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:11 pm

You should float one or the other, or both rooms.

That will reduce/eliminate flanking noise from traveling into the other room via the concrete basement floor.

Another reason to float the Live room is the increased definiton you will experience when recording your kick drum sound....

The Kick tends to take on a little of the sound character of the surface it is mounted on. A dead floated floor will make the kick sound like "itself"

Having done live and studio recordings I can atest that the flooring makes as much a difference in tone as the tuning/pillows, etc....

Post by **sharward** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:07 pm

Staggered studs are inferior to double frames.

Please, take my advice -- stop planning and read, study, read, read, search, read, study, and read some more. There's so much great information and advice that you're missing because you seem so fixated on building.

"Don't just do something -- stand there!"

knightfly · Post by **knightfly** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:25 am

Slash, you first need to follow ALL the BOLD guidelines in the very top link in the forum ("don't even THINK about posting.....") - I know you've not done this because I still don't know where you're from (one of the BOLD points in that thread) -

If you go there/do that, you will learn enough to answer several of your questions (and to probably ask several more) - you will also save me a boatload of time typing the same things over and over and over - thanks... Steve