Do you have a clue of the price range of these products?...please let me know if you do.
I would also love to hear what are you're thinking to do about your wall structure...do you have any plans at the time?
Building my recording studio in a flood/humid area...
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Nikodemos
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well i just found dealers for both Kinetics and Sylomer in Greece and e-mailed them....and now i'll wait
Do you have a clue of the price range of these products?...please let me know if you do.
I would also love to hear what are you're thinking to do about your wall structure...do you have any plans at the time?
Do you have a clue of the price range of these products?...please let me know if you do.
I would also love to hear what are you're thinking to do about your wall structure...do you have any plans at the time?
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Nightmusic
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Well, do you mean wall structure concerning waterproofing, or considering my acoustic treatment?
About Sylomer costs, in a french forum i could get that information: 100€ for 30 plots 5cmX5cm...
But still you'll have to know how many plots you would have to put, thus knowing how much weight it will need to handle.
That is the reason why i didn't get deeper in the costs analysis for myself at the time.i still have to calculate all the materials weights that will relie on that floor, which isn't so easy.
further, i am still stuck into the dilemna of floating my floor or not, since i read the thread here about that.
Here in that french forum you can see Pics Sylomer installation example :http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/appre ... 45003.html
I know the dealer can cut these sylomer boards in pieces as your request, that may be cheaper in that case than Rim kinetics since they come in rollboards as you said....
About Sylomer costs, in a french forum i could get that information: 100€ for 30 plots 5cmX5cm...
But still you'll have to know how many plots you would have to put, thus knowing how much weight it will need to handle.
That is the reason why i didn't get deeper in the costs analysis for myself at the time.i still have to calculate all the materials weights that will relie on that floor, which isn't so easy.
further, i am still stuck into the dilemna of floating my floor or not, since i read the thread here about that.
Here in that french forum you can see Pics Sylomer installation example :http://fr.forums.audiofanzine.com/appre ... 45003.html
I know the dealer can cut these sylomer boards in pieces as your request, that may be cheaper in that case than Rim kinetics since they come in rollboards as you said....
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Nikodemos
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Actually i mean your wall structure regarding sound transmission loss and acoustical treatment...
The RIM pads come in a rollboard but they are actually small fiber glass blocks glued on a fiber or plastic blanket in order to be placed easilly
http://www.kineticsnoise.com/arch/rimconcrete.html
regarding the concrete floating floor i think that if you are in a residential building this is probably the only way to keep the sound from travelling through the steel reinforced concrete structure of the building....i think that the thread you're refering to(i've read it 10 times!!!) is refering to buildings with no residents in them like garages or warehouses....i was reading on an Everest's book how the sound travels through the concrete reaching the upper floors where the walls act as membranes transmitting the sound to a room 2-3 floors above....and believe me i've experience on such a situation:we had a rehearsall room in this same basement back in 1995 and even though you could hear almost nothing right outside from it and completely nothing on the ground floor(which is an empty parking space) you could clearly hear the lower frequences from the drums and bass on some rooms on the first, second and even third floor!!!!! It wasn't very loud but it was loud enough to cause problems with the weird neighbour that sytrangely enough seems to exist on every building LOL
On the other hand if you are the only resident of the building it's up to you to decide if you(and your family) can live with some low end booming through the walls...anyway it's a thing you should decide now cause there is no way to change your mind afterwards....
Nikodemos
ps waiting for your sound walls,ceiling,floors ideas.....even better in my thread....in order to keep this a "moisture,flood" thread
The RIM pads come in a rollboard but they are actually small fiber glass blocks glued on a fiber or plastic blanket in order to be placed easilly
http://www.kineticsnoise.com/arch/rimconcrete.html
regarding the concrete floating floor i think that if you are in a residential building this is probably the only way to keep the sound from travelling through the steel reinforced concrete structure of the building....i think that the thread you're refering to(i've read it 10 times!!!) is refering to buildings with no residents in them like garages or warehouses....i was reading on an Everest's book how the sound travels through the concrete reaching the upper floors where the walls act as membranes transmitting the sound to a room 2-3 floors above....and believe me i've experience on such a situation:we had a rehearsall room in this same basement back in 1995 and even though you could hear almost nothing right outside from it and completely nothing on the ground floor(which is an empty parking space) you could clearly hear the lower frequences from the drums and bass on some rooms on the first, second and even third floor!!!!! It wasn't very loud but it was loud enough to cause problems with the weird neighbour that sytrangely enough seems to exist on every building LOL
On the other hand if you are the only resident of the building it's up to you to decide if you(and your family) can live with some low end booming through the walls...anyway it's a thing you should decide now cause there is no way to change your mind afterwards....
Nikodemos
ps waiting for your sound walls,ceiling,floors ideas.....even better in my thread....in order to keep this a "moisture,flood" thread
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Nightmusic
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Well,
About the floating floor question, The building where i am about to build my recording studio is totally isolated from my house, as 50 meters far.It stands by itself, as there's only a basement.
So my doubts are essentially focused on the isolation between different rooms inside that building.I wouldn't want to hear in the vocal booth any bass frequencies coming from the drums booth, for example.
Further, i am asking if floating a floor on two wouldn't be a good solution...
I will post a 'big' thread asap, resuming all my conclusions about my situation, you will find there everything i have understood and learned since the time when i first started this project.
But i am going to your thread now for a quick description of my isolation parts...
About the floating floor question, The building where i am about to build my recording studio is totally isolated from my house, as 50 meters far.It stands by itself, as there's only a basement.
So my doubts are essentially focused on the isolation between different rooms inside that building.I wouldn't want to hear in the vocal booth any bass frequencies coming from the drums booth, for example.
Further, i am asking if floating a floor on two wouldn't be a good solution...
I will post a 'big' thread asap, resuming all my conclusions about my situation, you will find there everything i have understood and learned since the time when i first started this project.
But i am going to your thread now for a quick description of my isolation parts...
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Nikodemos
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well in that case i think that you could float only certain parts of your structure like for example the drum booth and leave the rest as it is....John Sayers proposed something like that in my thread....i mean if you go for a multi room complex you could build each romm depending to your needs...a heavier floating construction for drum booth - loud bass amps room and a lighter one for a multi purpose live room....check this(if you haven't allready 
): http://forums.studiotips.com/viewtopic.php?t=1653
They are reffering to another method for decoupling room floors from each other by cutting the originall concrete slab creating a gap between each room floor....as i get it that is something that you can't and shouldn't do in bulding's concrete slab because it would be interfering with its foundations but since your basement is just a basement with nothing above maybe you should research it...and ask a few people about it
): http://forums.studiotips.com/viewtopic.php?t=1653They are reffering to another method for decoupling room floors from each other by cutting the originall concrete slab creating a gap between each room floor....as i get it that is something that you can't and shouldn't do in bulding's concrete slab because it would be interfering with its foundations but since your basement is just a basement with nothing above maybe you should research it...and ask a few people about it