loft conversion can the same be done as kendales studio?

carbone · Post by **carbone** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:52 am

hi ive uploaded a picture of my loft conversion it would be great if i coud construct a studio like kendales it looks amazing. as you can see i have a sloping roof just wanted to know if it could be done, if not what can be

any help would be much appreciated!!!!!! thanks

knightfly · Post by **knightfly** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:07 pm

I removed the duplicate pic, now can you post the rest of your information? Check off as many of the BOLD points in the "Don't even THINK..." thread as apply to you, especially sizes/heights of everything, whether you need to isolate your space for sound, etc -

With that shape space, I'd consider putting the mix desk/speakers against one of the low walls, so the ceiling rises to your rear and then back down. You'll need a fair amount of absorbent treatment, but should be able to get a usable space.

I still need to look at your vox booth questions, or we can just do that here - let me know... Steve

carbone · Post by **carbone** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:41 am

hi knightfly thanks for the response much apreciated!!!
if you think the pc, monitors ect should go under the slope than i will go with that after all you know what your talking about.i dont need the main room soundproof as the neighbours are cool and dont mind.
1.could you tell what room acoustics go where in the room so i can start right away

2. ive read alot in the other forums, if you could tell me the name and where to place them i will start makig them other materials i have to buy i will .

soundproof booth:
i do though need the soundproof booth a sound proof as can be as i want to be able to playback the montors while the artst raps, sings.

i was thinking that i could build the soundproof booth in the window to the right nearest in the picture the measurements are 3ft by 2.5 ft if not i was going to place it inthe middle of the room length ways and place a seat in it to do vocals unless the artist is a short guy!!

thanks alot knightfly really apreciate it.

Post by **kendale** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:42 am

Aloha carbone,

Hey, thanks for the kind words.

Here's all the measurements & drawings together. It's actually the same floor measurements as I have (but turned 90 degrees) with a little lower ceiling (which kind of reminds me a little of filete's room.)

Aloha

carbone · Post by **carbone** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:36 pm

thanks for there reply kendale , do you think i can do the same thing as yours, if sowhere should i put it , any ideas also on where a vocal booth could go thanks mate

Post by **kendale** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:58 am

Aloha carbone,

do you think i can do the same thing as yours, if so where should i put it ,

Generically speaking, yes, you'll be using the same principles of absorption as I did. Specifically speaking, in regard to your particular room/application, probably not.

To my understanding from what I've studied, every room has its own character and sound, partly due to its shape, volume and construction.

There are certain issues pertaining to your room that are inherently different from mine due to the differences in size/dimensions that your room dictates, the most obvious at the moment being the ceiling height/angles. This will require that your room will ultimately be treated somewhat differently than mine, but still using the same acoustic principles.

This is not to say that it can't be done, only that it will take some thought and planning to discover the best way to approach it and find the best solution.

So while we're working on that, it might be a good time to see if any of the following materials are available in your area, and to get an idea of how much this might cost and plan accordingly. Here's a few links for some great info.

Insulation

What you need to ask for is either rigid fiberglass, such as Owens Corning 703 (un-faced) or rockwool, mineral wool, somewhere between 2 to 4 pounds per cubic foot density; Johns Manville and Knauf also make similar products. Steve (Knightfly)

http://johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=802
http://johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2994
http://johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2547

Caulk and Insulation - the name says it all -
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2045
More on Caulking - scroll down about half the page
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewt ... c&start=15

General info on acoustics, absoprtion, constructions, and wall units:
http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/index.html
http://www.johnlsayers.com/HR/index1.htm

Hope this helps,

Aloha

carbone · Post by **carbone** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:38 am

hi mate thanks for the reply, i have looked at those links already and have found my suppliers in my area i have rang they have given prices and im ready to go. just have no idea where to start , i will be able to build the items i need from the links on this forum just dont know where i should place them please help thanks

Post by **kendale** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:04 am

Aloha Carbone,

Okay, how's this for a rough layout? This a variation on a design by John that was similar in size to your floor measurements. The ceiling was much higher though, so there are still some issues to work out with the distance from the front/back/ceiling angles, but this might give you a rough idea at least.

Before you start building, it might not be a bad idea to check out a couple of links to see what those in similar shape rooms are facing, and how they are working it out.
http://johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... =nightmare
http://johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... highlight=
http://johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... ght=#40790

Aloha

Post by **kendale** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:12 pm

Aloha Carbone,

Okay, here's a couple of questions for you:

What is the ceiling height 2' 6" from the wall?
What is the measurement of your ears (sitting position) to the floor?

Aloha

carbone · Post by **carbone** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:56 pm

hi kendale thanks for the drawing looks good!!!
thw height from the floor 2ft 6in out to the ceilng is 5ft 4in, from the wall to the window is 6ft3 as you can see there is more space inthe window frame that is why i was thinking about a vocal booth there . thanks for the help mate

Post by **kendale** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:33 am

Aloha carbone,

hi kendale thanks for the drawing looks good!!!

No, worries! You can actually thank John for that, as it's HIS drawing. Just tossing a couple of idea out there for you. I've got another one for you but first, if you could provide the info to the second question, that would be great. (What is the measurement of your ears (sitting position) to the floor?) Thanks!

This will help in determining monitor position/height.

I can see why you're thinking of doing a vocal booth in the window area. Two points to consider there:
1) What shape/material is the window surface? If it is curved, it may act as a parabolic reflector and introduce odd freq. to your vocal tracks unless acoustically treated.
2) You also want to avoid building a "square" vocal booth as it will also add anomolies to the vocal track.

Be careful, a dead square booth will have low end issues (you'll hear the issues on your mic.) Bryan Giles

Yeah, 4x5x7 feet inside dim's is about the best modal compromise for a small booth - Steve (Knightfly)

Aloha