9/11

Luftweg · Post by **Luftweg** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:18 pm

Even as we are often here enthusiastic about our studio projects, etc., and as life goes on, I'm sure none will miss that it's been 5 years now -- if not just for the media reminders of the event, and events surrounding and emerging from that day.

Yet people die daily and under (or from) various, however less dramatic or infamous situations (or causes).
It's important not to diminish that.

In many ways, 9/11 has still to be clearly defined.

The closest I came personally was only that a friend of a coworker was on one of the planes that left Logan airport for its fateful destination...

Others here may be able to relate more closely to the event.
If so inclined, please post here about how you were affected and/or where you were when it was happening or when you found out...

I'm sorry if this post is 'off-topic'

guitardad72 · Post by **guitardad72** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:46 pm

On that day, I just moved and did not have cable or high speed internet installed yet, I found out by dial-up internet that morning. At my gig later that night I was on auto pilot playing, while watching images on the TV. I had cable installed the next day.

Personally I have a really mixed opinion of the day. It was traggic and horrible, but I've watched the following to many times now.

http://www.loosechange911.com/

Video is no longer on web site however it's available here on Google.

I'm not going to comment on the content, but I think it is a must see.

Marc

Post by **sharward** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:10 pm

I think it's good to be inquisitive and to ask questions about that day. However, I have seen the video and, while it seems to make some interesting points, I'm reserving final judgement until more information can be uncovered/released.

Here on the West Coast, most of us learned of what happened before our day began. It was..... surreal, to say the least. I had a week's worth of training at work, and I remember being somewhat of a zombie in class. (Why class was allowed to continue as scheduled is, to this day, beyond me... Although the fact that our trainer was flown in from Ottawa and had no way of getting home may have had a lot to do with it.

I remember being totally overwhelmed with the media coverage. It was... inescapable. Of course it was an unspeakable tragedy, but for days, weeks, it seemed that's all I could find on the air.

I miss how the country came together in the aftermath. It was really beautiful. Since then we've endured the ugliest politics I think I have ever witnessed.

Perhaps this thread should be moved to the Wombat Hole, since that seems the most appropriate place for the off-topic stuff.

jwl · Post by **jwl** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:16 pm

Yeah, that day was totally surreal. I remember it well, as do we all.

I don't pretend to grok What Really Happened(tm) on that day. I wasn't there, I'm not privy to the consciousnesses of those souls who enacted the events of the day.

But I do know this: I have read the official 9/11 commission report. I've also read quite a bit of commentary about the report, as well as other reports and theories.

The only thing I can conclude is that what the public is being told about the events of that day CANNOT be true. There are too many contradictions there. Again, I don't know what happened or who did what, but the story we're being told can't be the truth.

If you read the commission report it reads like an action novel posing as a justification for war. It's kinda depressing and morbid from that perspective. It is clear that the authors of that report are engaging in some pretty thinly-veiled agenda pushing.

And when you look at the events that were "justified" (not really, but the rhetoric is used as if it does justify) by 9/11, it gets even more disgusting.

9/11 was an evil, evil day, but I fear NOT because of what most of my fellow US citizens have been told and believe....

Post by **sharward** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:42 pm

jwl wrote:I don't know what happened or who did what, but the story we're being told can't be the truth.

How is it possible that you can profess to know what we're being told can't be the truth, while in the same sentence concede that you don't know what happened or who did what?

Post by **sharward** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:45 pm

I might add that this topic was started by someone who asked us to "please post here about how you were affected and/or where you were when it was happening or when you found out." I interpret that to mean on that day... Not as an open invitation to speculate on all of the possible conspiracy theories that are floating around the Internet.

jwl · Post by **jwl** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:32 pm

sharward wrote:How is it possible that you can profess to know what we're being told can't be the truth, while in the same sentence concede that you don't know what happened or who did what?

Fair question. The answer is because I can do a textual analysis of the 9/11 commission report itself. There are too many logical inconsistencies in the report. Simply speaking, everything contained in the report cannot simultaneously be true. For instance, I can publish a book that, on page 127 says the sky was blue in New York at 10am on 9/11, and on page 193 says the sky was purple with pink polka dots. Both cannot simultaneously be true.

In other words, I'm not analyzing What Really Happened(tm) because I have no way of knowing that. All I have is the text, and I can analyze the hell out of that, it's what I was trained to do in college. And the text is, quite literally, non-sense, and if you read it it becomes evident very quickly that it was written to forward a particular agenda. The authors of that report presupposed answers to the most important questions (just one example: were the events of 9/11 a "crime" or an "act of war"?).

sharward wrote:...Not as an open invitation to speculate on all of the possible conspiracy theories that are floating around the Internet.

Agreed; this is why I did not speculate as to what really happened. I don't pretend to know what happened that day, nor am I hopeful that the details of that day will ever be known by John Q Public.

Though I will point out that, for many people, dismissing any possible explanation of 9/11 (or any other event, for that matter) as a "conspiracy theory" is a device that allows people to hide behind a convenient label and stop thinking. We have been programmed to associate theorizing about conspiratorial events with paranoid crackpot nutjobs, which itself "blocks the road to inquiry" because 9/11 could not have been committed by only one person. Therefore, it was a conspiracy. And any possible explanation of the events of that evil day is, therefore, by definition a conspiracy theory.

How was I affected by 9/11? That's a complex question. I could sit here and throw platitudes at it: I was shocked, I was sad, I was horrified, I was frightened. Duh. We all were. From my point of view, the world changed that day. And I view it as an ethical imperative to dig more deeply, and think about the whys and hows of this process. I don't apologize for that.

Post by **John Sayers** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:55 am

For me it was on 9/12 when I woke up. Margie and I were returning from a 6 month camping trip through the outback. I was up first, as usual, making the fire and morning coffee when I heard it on the radio. We didn't see any pics until we made it into the nearest town.

If you really want to read up on the various conspiracy theories check out this site.

http://breakfornews.com/forum/index.php

and listen to the 3 audios "9/11 without tinfoil".

cheers
john