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angled ceiling in control room

Post by jordya »

Hello all,

Currently, my studio contruction project is underway. Hooray! So far, the live room and the control room have been framed (metal studs) and we are getting ready to build the ceiling.

Just to bring you up to speed, I am building a small recording studio in a commercial space. The end result will be a "brand new" music lesson and instrument store with a recording studio in the back. The pictures below show the current progress of the store, as a whole. The dimensions of the control room are 13' long x 11' wide x 12' high.
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My question today deals with the ceiling in the control room, which has not been constructed yet. Right now, the only thing there is the open metal framed ceiling of the building (see picture).
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My idea is to build an angeled ceiling, (2 layer sheetrock with a sound channel and insulation) starting with an 8 ft ceiling in the front, where the mixing desk will be, and ending with 10 ft ceiling in the back. (see picture)
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My question is should I continue with this plan, or would it be wise to change the height dimensions. The highest I can go is 12 ft. I was thinking maybe changing it to 9 ft in the front and 11 ft in the back.

I know this may be a question for the acoustics forum, but since I'm still in the construction process, I thought I'd check here first.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

Jordy A.
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Post by sharward »

Here's Jordy's thread in the Studio Design forum, which lends some greater context to the project.

Jordy, you mentioned this in that thread:
jordya wrote:. . . The general contractor will be building the walls for the whole space (music store, lessons, etc.) so as to not let sound intrude on our neighbors in the strip mall. . .
:shock: Alarm bells are ringing in my head. :shock:
  1. What does your general contractor know about soundproofing?
  2. What do you know about soundproofing?
  3. What are the exact anatomies of your walls and ceilings/roof being built?
  4. What are the noise ordinances that govern the allowable noise levels in your municipality?
  5. What language (if any) exists in your lease that governs the allowable noise levels in the space you're renting?
I'll wait to see the answers to these questions before I start really freaking out on your behalf. :roll:

--Keith :mrgreen:
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Post by jordya »

thanks Keith. Yeah, I had to think long and hard about ALL the walls a while ago.

Lets see...

The exterior walls of the entire space (basically, the side walls separating us from our neighbors, the karate studio and a sporting goods store), these walls are double sheetrock with a sound channel on our side and insulation. The framing General, as I call him, has built some recording studios in the past, and his examples of what he has done in the past matched what I have learned and read on this forum, books, etc. He basically is constructing the walls so nothing on our side is touching the walls of our neighbors. So, the side walls of the store will be fine for the general noise associated with a music store that gives lessons.

The lesson rooms, which are separate and not attached to the side walls of the store, are single layer sheetrock with a sound channel. You will be able to hear the lessons somewhat, but I'm fine with that. Our current lesson studio has rooms that were very poorly put together (the former owner did this, not me) and these rooms work fine. When you stand outside of them, you can hear the lessons, but when inside them playing an instrument, you can only hear yourself and not the other rooms. The ceiling is single layer sheetrock with a sound channel and insulation.

As for my recording studio, this is an entirely separate room built within the store. These walls are double sheet rock on both sides, a sound channel on one side, and staggard stud. The floor is not floating, but I will be building a drum riser to help lessen the sound transmission from the drums. There will be 2 amp closets as well for loud guitarists rocking out...perfect for my band. :) The ceiling is 2 layer sheetrock with a sound channel and insulation.


So, to answer you questions Keith:
1 and 2. The contractor and myself no as much about soundproofing as we've learned from reading and a little real-world experience. I have built a recording studio as well, which was double layer sheet rock on both sides and insulation on staggered studs. However, I did not use a sound channel and the sound proofing of the door frames left little to be desired. I have learned from those mistakes...hopefully. This new studio is not the next Paisley Park, but it will do for students and amateurs...with the occasional pro musician that wants to save a buck or two.

3. I think I described the walls above...the studio is basically a room within a room, the roof of the building is a standard commercial roof.

4. I will have to get back to you regarding the noise ordinances, but most of the recording studio projects will be happening after business hours, as not to affect the other businesses.

5. There is no language whatsoever in the lease regarding noise levels. Our landlord, a single person (not a mega-reality company) who owns the building and is helping us with bidding out jobs, etc. He is fully aware of the sound issues with a music store, so he has worked with myself, the architect and the framing general to make sure the walls are as good as they need to be...without spending hundreds of thousands of dollars.


I hope that answers your questions. Take from that what you will and let me know what you think.

thanks again,

Jordy A.
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jordya wrote:As for my recording studio, this is an entirely separate room built within the store. These walls are double sheet rock on both sides, a sound channel on one side, and staggard stud.
Why not double frame? What's the depth of the air gap? What's the thickness of the Sheetrock?
. . . the roof of the building is a standard commercial roof.
We'd need more specifics about that... Unless you don't care about sound leaking out of the building. :roll:
most of the recording studio projects will be happening after business hours, as not to affect the other businesses.
You don't think the Karate studio and the sporting goods store will be open late? You aren't concerned about shouts from the Karate studio?

I realize the questions you started asking had more to do with acoustics than these concerns I'm raising. I'm not the acoustics guy around here. I'm not even the construction expert... But I'd be remiss in my worry wart duties if I didn't bring these things up.
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sharward wrote:
jordya wrote:As for my recording studio, this is an entirely separate room built within the store. These walls are double sheet rock on both sides, a sound channel on one side, and staggard stud.
Why not double frame? What's the depth of the air gap? What's the thickness of the Sheetrock?

I chose not to double so I could get as much space as possible, within my given area.
. . . the roof of the building is a standard commercial roof.
We'd need more specifics about that... Unless you don't care about sound leaking out of the building. :roll:

I can't give you any more specifics about the roof, at least until I talk to the landlord tomorrow, other than if you are familiar with commercial building construction, the roof is made to those specifications. But no, the landlord is not that concerned with the sound leaking out of the building, so I am not that concerned. My current studio, in which the building is very similar, just older, has no problem with sound escaping, so I am not worried.
most of the recording studio projects will be happening after business hours, as not to affect the other businesses.
You don't think the Karate studio and the sporting goods store will be open late? You aren't concerned about shouts from the Karate studio?

Yes, I am sure they will be open later than say 6 or 7, but again I look to my current recording studio for guidance...we are next to a fancy hair salon and we have had not trouble with sound interfereing with their business. In my exisiting studio, the wall construction and sound proofing is good, but not as good as the new studio we are builing, so I say it will be fine. And no, I am not concerned with the karate studio yells leaking through the walls.
I realize the questions you started asking had more to do with acoustics than these concerns I'm raising. I'm not the acoustics guy around here. I'm not even the construction expert... But I'd be remiss in my worry wart duties if I didn't bring these things up.
I appreciate your "worry wort duties", considering there are not too many people around me that share a love of studio design and construction as I do. However, I am still curious if you or anyone else reading, has an opinion regarding my ceiling construction.

Again, I appreciate the help and concern...


Jordy
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